Comments on: Against Your Better Judgement: A Guide to Judging

By: Valterian

Valterian — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:01:19 +0000

Hi, I didn’t really see anyone else mention this in the comments and didn’t see it in your article, but ret and holy paladins(only ret if both are present) should judge light if there is a prot pally in the raid/group because mana will be returned from the healing done by the judgement of light debuff via spiritual attunement and prot pally’s should judge wisdom for more mana regen.

Plus, if you have a melee heavy group they will receieve healing from judgement of light making for a sort of kind of effective group healing. If the group is heavy on ranged/caster dps then it might be better to drop judgement of wisdom since they still regen mana(at least from what I’ve noticed. I could be wrong.) from attacking a target with the judgement of wisdom debuff but they won’t from judgement of light for some arbitrary reason.

Also, I’d like to add that I recently respecced from ret to holy and I used many of the guides in your blog to help me gear and learn about my spells. Keep up the good work!

By: Air

Air — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:33:16 +0000

you should note that if a holy pally has beacon of light on the tank, and is running JoL, all the procs will heal the tank.

By: Xiphias

Xiphias — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:22:27 +0000

Yes, but then the MT will have to Judge Justice, since he wants to keep JotJ up…

And it means you’ll have to make sure you keep the Wisdom uptime at 100% if you can.

By: Valis

Valis — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:04:47 +0000

If you have to overwrite, overwrite Wisdom. Range will still be 40 yards and one wisdom is as good as another.

By: Taraske

Taraske — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:34:53 +0000

In 3.1 holy palas won´t be able to judge justice any more since its range will be 10 yards again : ( So we will have to override the rets JoL, at least every minute.

By: Dreaming

Dreaming — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:39:34 +0000

I wanted to thank you a lot for this article. It is so true that it should go without question, but clearly the comments and the overall community show it is not the case.
Blizzard has made a lot of errors on the healing paladin design, concerning how it shows in the “meters”, exactly as for the discipline priest.
A lot of leaders will look at the healing meters, see the paladin very low (because of all what was explained by doshei), even more they could look at the overhealing and see us “excelling” there …

I’m also following the idea that, if you’re leader isn’t competent enough to understand the design of the paladin when you explain it to him/her. Then just change guild. Good guilds are plenty and a competent healer is always a good addition to a guild.

The only point I see really relevant, and it was pointed by several people, is that a holy paladin judging wisdom will probably not keep it up as often as a retribution paladin (or protection paladin).
We should all judge it at least once each minute to keep Judgements of the Pure up. But it’s not as obvious to keep it up each 20s. I would advise the use of an add-on to track the duration of judgement of wisdom and pay attention to it. One gcd each 20s is rarely a problem.

Thank you again for this great post, I linked it on my blog :)

By: Zaen

Zaen — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:46:45 +0000

@ Siha . . .

Yes, in 25 man raiding, if you have more than one ret pally or a prot pally Judging Wis . . . yes, JoL ftw!

Otherwise, JoW > JoL.

By: Sophia

Sophia — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:48:31 +0000

I liked this article :)
As a prot pallie i usually ask the Retribution/Holy who keeps light/wisdom up and simply “demand” nobody but prot pallies judge the other one.
I find it that, if prot/ret use light and i use wisdom works best in raids, while in 5 man … its mostly random, depending on how many paladins are there, etc !
It is shocking how many paladins DONT JUDGE AT ALL (i know it sounds strange) or know little to nothing about judgements.
Thank you for a very well written post i can refer them to :)

By: Falkara

Falkara — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:07:37 +0000

Thanks for the excellent post on judging =) I posted a link in my guild forums and a fellow guild mate posted a follow up that got me thinking… (His reply “Just a little addition with the upcoming 3.1 patch, prot paladins will have divine plea up 100% of the time making their judgement of light heal for 50% less, so i would imagine prot paladin would become the last paladin that should use JoL.”)

Do we know if Divine plea affects JoL / Refreshed JoL?

I remember running H VH (only pally in the group) the other day and wondering the same thing as the numbers weren’t all that different with Divine Plea up. It was a tiny bit lower (like maybe 30-50 per tick) but didn’t feel like 50% difference.

By: Miri

Miri — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:04:36 +0000

I don’t have a reputable source, but sheath’s spellpower doesn’t apply to Judgement of Light heals, nor Sacred Shield. It`d be best to just test yourself by speccing ret and keeping points out of sheath, smack a dummy with JoL up and then put points in, see if your heals go up.