Comments on: Mana Regen Nerf Incoming

By: Suicidal Zebra

Suicidal Zebra — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:59:54 +0000

Oh, and as an aside, Divine Plea was initially a 6 second channeled spell restoring some % of mana – I think 25% total. Hence the initial incarnation reduced healing by 100% and meant you couldn’t move, but the channelled period scaled with Spell Haste and was a much shorter duration than currently.

By: Suicidal Zebra

Suicidal Zebra — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:50:49 +0000

I'm guessing that with this nerf a /cancelaura macro will be even more necessary. It's also worth noting that the mana regen ticks every 3 seconds so configuring an add-on such as Power Auras to track the duration of the buff and cooldown of the spell may be a sensible idea. I'm not sure if it matters very much but Avenging Wrath will partially mitigate the healing loss. %Healing modifiers are multiplicative, so if you pop AW and DP together the resulting heal modifier is 60%.

By: Siha

Siha — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:38:08 +0000

From memory, DP started out as 50% reduction, then 100%, then back to the current 20%. Along the way, the duration went from 10 to 12 to 15 seconds, too.

By: Revaan

Revaan — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:46:22 +0000

I think the original Divine Plea was about 35% reduction, but that got changed a lot. We may also have to start popping Divine Illumination more often (I know I’m rarely using it now, but probably will be on every boss fight on every cooldown in the future).

By: eidlhe

eidlhe — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:49:30 +0000

I think the original DP on PTR had a considerably higher healing nerf. I don’t use DP unless I absolutely have too. I generally try to reserve it for a lull in the damage being taken and I can count on the other healers in the raid to take up my slack.

@Revaan-I could see the casting speed working as a deterrent.

That being said I can understand the reasoning behind the nerf but I still don’t have to like it. And nothing is set in stone yet so we’ll just have to wait and see.

By: jeffo

jeffo — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:17:58 +0000

Wasn’t the original DP on beta 50%? Or was it 35%? I don’t quite recall. The change to SA surprises me a little bit. I’m not quite sure how they can change it for one tree and not the others, unless they tie it to particular talents that EVERY Protection and Ret pally will take. As for me, I already try to use DP in situations where there’s a break in the action (i.e., Gothik ports to the other side) or when I’m running from one side of the room to the other. If I feel I absolutely can’t afford to lose the 20%, but really need to Plea I’ll trinket or Avenging Wrath to try to make up for it. I don’t think it’s a gamebreaker. I’m glad they said they don’t want to change illumination, most of my mana currently comes from that.

By: Veleshar

Veleshar — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:22:20 +0000

Its a bad notice :( Actually im using the tipical combo “Plea” + Illumination (i like FM)…..but im thinking about alternatives:

1- Get more mana and min. 150 Cmp5(casting mp5)

2- Get more mana and crit. rate up a lot.

Its to soon to think about it but we can do all boses without unsing “plea” :S

Thanks for the heads up Siha, and sorry grammar faults , english is not my mature language ^_^

By: Cyranor

Cyranor — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:50:47 +0000

Yeah I saw this coming when I glance at the other healers near the end of several bosses and we had near full mana. Thankfully they aren’t touching illumination, would hate to have to regear cause they decided to give us spirit of something. Thanks for the heads up Siha, and I guess I have to go back to using divine plea less, which is ok I guess I didn’t use it a whole lot in the beginning.

By: Revaan

Revaan — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:43:27 +0000

Unless Blizzard is going back to heavy raid damage, which I didn’t think they wanted to, SA doesn’t seem to be providing a whole lot of mana to holy paladins.

The Divine Plea changes were definitely coming since mana is never an issue when that’s up. However, the 50% healing reduction seems a bit much. I’m guessing that will be tuned in other ways. Personally, I’d rather see the 50% healing penalty changed to a 25% – 50% casting speed penalty (adjust the number for balance). Protection and retribution paladins are still largely unaffected, since most of the protection and DPS spells are instant, holy spells are the only ones that require paladins to stop and cast. Holy paladins still have to be careful about using since throughput takes a big hit, even though we heal for the same amount.

By: Bellwether

Bellwether — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:11:00 +0000

I suppose we had it coming?

Thanks for the heads up Siha