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		<title>By: Plastic Rat</title>
		<link>http://www.bananashoulders.com/2009/01/13/pve-is-not-easy/comment-page-1/#comment-10293</link>
		<dc:creator>Plastic Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I&#039;m one of those elitist &#039;twitch-gamers&#039; complaining that wow is too easy.

Now that I&#039;ve stereotyped myself let me explain.  I don&#039;t consider myself that much of an amazing player.  I don&#039;t expect to or have a massive desire to top the DPS charts.  What I enjoy is simply being part of a party that works together, getting that feeling of teamwork going where everyone has a role to fulfill and does it to the best of their ability.

I spent time teaching myself as a hunter to kite and chaintrap.  I pay attention to the healer at all times in case I need to send my pet off to pull a mob off them.  I learned the necessary pulling methods for various types of critters so I could do my job well and be an asset to a party.

What do I do with all of this?  I cast volley.  Yep.  I walk behind the tank and I volley.  I can&#039;t remember the last time I needed to trap or kite anything.  I can&#039;t remember the last time I had to do anything for the healer.

Nope, I spam volley my way through instance after instance while the tank spams his class specific AOE tanking skill.

Yes, I still whipe on Loken.  We&#039;ve wiped on a few bosses.  I don&#039;t call learning to play frogger a challenge.  Hell, call it what you want, hard, easy, whatever.  Every boss becomes a cakewalk once you learn the fight.

All I want is to be able to do something OTHER than spam AOEs through every instance.  This is what I&#039;m protesting against when I complain that the game is too easy.  The homogenization of classes, the loss of anything to actually DO in an instance besides AOE and jump around on the odd boss fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;m one of those elitist &#8216;twitch-gamers&#8217; complaining that wow is too easy.</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve stereotyped myself let me explain.  I don&#8217;t consider myself that much of an amazing player.  I don&#8217;t expect to or have a massive desire to top the DPS charts.  What I enjoy is simply being part of a party that works together, getting that feeling of teamwork going where everyone has a role to fulfill and does it to the best of their ability.</p>
<p>I spent time teaching myself as a hunter to kite and chaintrap.  I pay attention to the healer at all times in case I need to send my pet off to pull a mob off them.  I learned the necessary pulling methods for various types of critters so I could do my job well and be an asset to a party.</p>
<p>What do I do with all of this?  I cast volley.  Yep.  I walk behind the tank and I volley.  I can&#8217;t remember the last time I needed to trap or kite anything.  I can&#8217;t remember the last time I had to do anything for the healer.</p>
<p>Nope, I spam volley my way through instance after instance while the tank spams his class specific AOE tanking skill.</p>
<p>Yes, I still whipe on Loken.  We&#8217;ve wiped on a few bosses.  I don&#8217;t call learning to play frogger a challenge.  Hell, call it what you want, hard, easy, whatever.  Every boss becomes a cakewalk once you learn the fight.</p>
<p>All I want is to be able to do something OTHER than spam AOEs through every instance.  This is what I&#8217;m protesting against when I complain that the game is too easy.  The homogenization of classes, the loss of anything to actually DO in an instance besides AOE and jump around on the odd boss fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Adlib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adlib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw the remark about keyboard turning, I knew Euri would come and cause trouble.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw the remark about keyboard turning, I knew Euri would come and cause trouble.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Cyranor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyranor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I will admit I do play some fps games and such I agree with you that the elitism is a big turn off. Also as a fellow paladin healer I can tell you that I have no keys bound, I actually rely heavily on healbot for all my healing and it works great for me, so do what works for you if keyboard turning is working for you and not killing you don&#039;t bother trying to change; as the old addage goes: &quot;if it ain&#039;t broke, don&#039;t fix it&quot;. Anyway love your blog.

ps: I bubble through frogger too; it saves me from lag, and I can blow up some slimes to create safer paths for ppl behind me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I will admit I do play some fps games and such I agree with you that the elitism is a big turn off. Also as a fellow paladin healer I can tell you that I have no keys bound, I actually rely heavily on healbot for all my healing and it works great for me, so do what works for you if keyboard turning is working for you and not killing you don&#8217;t bother trying to change; as the old addage goes: &#8220;if it ain&#8217;t broke, don&#8217;t fix it&#8221;. Anyway love your blog.</p>
<p>ps: I bubble through frogger too; it saves me from lag, and I can blow up some slimes to create safer paths for ppl behind me</p>
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		<title>By: Viktel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viktel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 05:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/waves

oooh!  ooooh!

Over here, ya over here.  No no over HERE!

Yeah, hi.  I&#039;m a pushing 40 gamer and guess what, I didn&#039;t fall out of a tree knowing how to play this game either.

It took me lots-o-practice and bloggers like you to get me started.

Keep up the great work.
Vik



(anyone else love Battlezone growing up? It was so cool it cost 2 quarters.

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<p>oooh!  ooooh!</p>
<p>Over here, ya over here.  No no over HERE!</p>
<p>Yeah, hi.  I&#8217;m a pushing 40 gamer and guess what, I didn&#8217;t fall out of a tree knowing how to play this game either.</p>
<p>It took me lots-o-practice and bloggers like you to get me started.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work.<br />
Vik</p>
<p>(anyone else love Battlezone growing up? It was so cool it cost 2 quarters.</p>
<p>)</p>
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		<title>By: Solver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am fed up with all these comments.  I hope they don&#039;t shout loud enough for blizzard to listen to them.

I&#039;ve always been a casual gamer and my raiding expericence is limited.  I probably knocked up about a dozen kara runs and half a dozen gruul runs and that&#039;s about it.

Most of the reasoning for this was as playing a healer between yourself and the tank you come in for a lot of slack for any wipes.  

Even if dps races are not won and enrage events kick off the groups answer seems to be we need more healers or better tanks.  

Since wotlk I&#039;ve been able to go along to the raids and heroics and experience some awesome instances / raids.  I&#039;ve gotten good drops and generally felt happy about my character progression.

As a casual gamer I&#039;m a lot happier.  I understand now that I&#039;m clearing this content why guilds maybe looking for more of a challenge.  I hope they get it eventually.

Personally I&#039;d like to see something like what they did towards the end of TBC where raids where made easier (maybe not to the TBC extremes). Give them their challenge but then change it so that people like me get to see the content without having to spend the time required to do the things the old way.

By the old way I mean, grinding mats for pots, enchants, elixirs, research into ultimate spec theorycrafting for role, perfect event mechanic awareness.

Solver</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am fed up with all these comments.  I hope they don&#8217;t shout loud enough for blizzard to listen to them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been a casual gamer and my raiding expericence is limited.  I probably knocked up about a dozen kara runs and half a dozen gruul runs and that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>Most of the reasoning for this was as playing a healer between yourself and the tank you come in for a lot of slack for any wipes.  </p>
<p>Even if dps races are not won and enrage events kick off the groups answer seems to be we need more healers or better tanks.  </p>
<p>Since wotlk I&#8217;ve been able to go along to the raids and heroics and experience some awesome instances / raids.  I&#8217;ve gotten good drops and generally felt happy about my character progression.</p>
<p>As a casual gamer I&#8217;m a lot happier.  I understand now that I&#8217;m clearing this content why guilds maybe looking for more of a challenge.  I hope they get it eventually.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;d like to see something like what they did towards the end of TBC where raids where made easier (maybe not to the TBC extremes). Give them their challenge but then change it so that people like me get to see the content without having to spend the time required to do the things the old way.</p>
<p>By the old way I mean, grinding mats for pots, enchants, elixirs, research into ultimate spec theorycrafting for role, perfect event mechanic awareness.</p>
<p>Solver</p>
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		<title>By: Ashleigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(also, I think I learned not to keyboard turn in Doom 2. OMG I&#039;ve been playing videogames way too long)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(also, I think I learned not to keyboard turn in Doom 2. OMG I&#8217;ve been playing videogames way too long)</p>
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		<title>By: Ashleigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I find that keyboard turning on Grobbulus is a bad plan. But more seriously, I meant &quot;they &lt;em&gt;define&lt;/em&gt; as bad or unskilled&quot; simply because that&#039;s a shifting bar used to attack other players and doesn&#039;t actually reflect on their ability to play.

I guess they think they&#039;re being competitive, but it comes across more as a sense of entitlement or ownership - like the raids belong to them, and people who aren&#039;t as hardcore as they are shouldn&#039;t have the right to enter and expect anything. Sort of like the idea that verbally or textually abusing people is somehow the way to improve their performance in a raid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I find that keyboard turning on Grobbulus is a bad plan. But more seriously, I meant &#8220;they <em>define</em> as bad or unskilled&#8221; simply because that&#8217;s a shifting bar used to attack other players and doesn&#8217;t actually reflect on their ability to play.</p>
<p>I guess they think they&#8217;re being competitive, but it comes across more as a sense of entitlement or ownership &#8211; like the raids belong to them, and people who aren&#8217;t as hardcore as they are shouldn&#8217;t have the right to enter and expect anything. Sort of like the idea that verbally or textually abusing people is somehow the way to improve their performance in a raid.</p>
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		<title>By: Phyllixia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phyllixia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ashleigh: I used to keyboard turn, but now that I don&#039;t I&#039;m no better at PvE than I was before.
I am, however, better at PvP.
Competitive people want there to be a reward for being better (like there is for PvP), but unfortunately PvE isn&#039;t a competition, so you don&#039;t get any prizes - individual skill doesn&#039;t come into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ashleigh: I used to keyboard turn, but now that I don&#8217;t I&#8217;m no better at PvE than I was before.<br />
I am, however, better at PvP.<br />
Competitive people want there to be a reward for being better (like there is for PvP), but unfortunately PvE isn&#8217;t a competition, so you don&#8217;t get any prizes &#8211; individual skill doesn&#8217;t come into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashleigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always found it strange that some people get downright angry that people they define as &quot;bad&quot; or &quot;unskilled&quot; have equal access to content. This &quot;PVE is easy&quot; mindset seems to me to be more a matter of &quot;They&#039;re standing in too much of my turf. Who let the riff-raff in?&quot;

But maybe I&#039;ve read too many casual vs. raider threads over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always found it strange that some people get downright angry that people they define as &#8220;bad&#8221; or &#8220;unskilled&#8221; have equal access to content. This &#8220;PVE is easy&#8221; mindset seems to me to be more a matter of &#8220;They&#8217;re standing in too much of my turf. Who let the riff-raff in?&#8221;</p>
<p>But maybe I&#8217;ve read too many casual vs. raider threads over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Joveta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joveta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As another &quot;non-FPS-playing-occasional-keyboard-turning-older-than-a-teenager-but-not-bad-at-the-game raider&quot; I thank you for this post.  My reflexes and hand-eye coordination aren&#039;t what they would be if I started gaming 15 years ago, but since I&#039;m nearly 30 and been playing video game (singular) since Vanilla WoW&#039;s release...  Those &quot;Mad cuz ur bad&quot; types can suck it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As another &#8220;non-FPS-playing-occasional-keyboard-turning-older-than-a-teenager-but-not-bad-at-the-game raider&#8221; I thank you for this post.  My reflexes and hand-eye coordination aren&#8217;t what they would be if I started gaming 15 years ago, but since I&#8217;m nearly 30 and been playing video game (singular) since Vanilla WoW&#8217;s release&#8230;  Those &#8220;Mad cuz ur bad&#8221; types can suck it.</p>
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